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Cipro damage to tendons, doctor said was making too big a deal out of it

by Marat S.
(Pacifica, CA (& Russia))


I am 36, male, took cipro for 8 days, 1x500mg a day for prostate infection. I was aware of the side effects and reduced a dosage to 1X500mg instead of 2!

Thanks God, that I have my own head and didn't listen to the Kaiser's doctors!

Horrible health provider BTW, I figured out that it's either you have a good doctor/provider or not have a doctor at all!

I started to notice pain in knees and tendons behind them after 4th pill. It was brief, like for 1/2 hour. I kept taking it. Pains were coming and disappearing.

After 6th tablet I told that to the doctor and he told me that I am worried about it too much and making a big deal out of it. I kept taking them.

After 8th tablet pains become more persistent and I stopped. In a week after that pains become severe. I asked doctor - what should I do? First, he didn't believe me. He told me that he gave it to 100s of people and nobody complained... Then, he said that there is no specific treatment...

My mistake was that I believed that the pains would disappear within a week after treatment. And doctor was supposed to tell me immediately to stop.

So I was able to do only limited walking for a month, due to knee pains and stiff tendons. After a month pains gradually disappeared. I got happy, I started to hike, etc.

But after a 10 days ago, about 2.5 month after stopping taking cipro the pains returned after I did rollerblading. The good part that pain is not that horrible like it was before. So far...

Now I took it seriously. Seems like they didn't get fully healed. I am following your recommendations - with bone broth, magnesium, Vit B6, CoQ10, joint supplements, protein supplements.

I also bought today cow tendons, chopped them and ate them raw.

Seems like they have to heal again. They heal, but again, very very slowly.

There is an interesting research:

Cipro Damage Research Article


Relative concentrations of other proteins in tendons from ciprofloxacin-treated dogs decreased by 73% (elastin), 88% (fibronectin), and 96% (Beta1-integrin) when compared to control samples (data from low-dose group only). A very similar pattern of protein alterations was detected in magnesium-deficient samples.

In conclusion, rather low doses of a fluoroquinolone or a dietarily-induced magnesium deficiency induce identical biochemical alterations in canine tendons. These findings further support the hypothesis that quinolone-induced toxic effects on connective tissue structures are due to the magnesium-antagonistic effects of these antibacterial agents.

This is why I've bought the cow tendons.
Elastin, fibronectin, and Beta1-integrin - I can't find them anywere as a supplement.



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Joshua Answers:

Hi Marat. Thanks for that great information!

I bet that tendon is chewey....

That's why I like the Bone Broth method, because you can stew all those nutrients out and eat/drink it down. You could throw them tendons in there too. Tendons are a common menu option that goes into Pho (viet namese soup).

Darn it, now I'm going to have to find and eat some tendon.....

The bad news is, generally by the time a doctor says 'stop', it's too late. Still, who knows what two days less dosage would have done for you?

Sorry to hear about the pain and such. I'm not much into lawsuits, but I'm all for them in the case of fluoroquinolones. Nothing else will have doctors/pharmaceutical compaines switch to something else.

And I VERY much appreciate your motivation and determination to find a solution.




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PART 2 - Thank you! - Cipro damage to tendons, doctor said was making too big a deal out of it
by: Marat S.

Thank you, Joshua.

I think just making a broth from tendons might not help at full potential, because these 3 mostly damaged proteins - elastin, fibronectin, and Beta1-integrin might not get out into the broth. Also we don't know if they are getting destroyed by boiling.

I decided to by a meat grinder. I am going either boil the cow tendons and go through meat grinder or take them raw into meat grinder and splash a boiling water over them to disinfect.

Thank you for Pho soup. I will defiantly try it!
Also thank you for this web site. Doctors don't care about us...



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Joshua Comments:

I don't know that doctors don't care....I think it's more a function that their entire education/paradigm is built around symptoms, and not health.

So they are treating isolated symptoms. But the body doesn't work that way. The parts of the whole works together as a single entity.

And how dare you not respond to a pharmaceutical drug like the doctor thinks you should!

Anyway.

Splashing hot water on tendons won't disinfect them....

You can still eat them once the've been in the soup.

Some thing might die in a long term simmer of the tendons in water, enzymes for instance. But I think the three proteins you mention will do just fine. They're soluble, meaning they melt apart, and then reform, basically.

Possibly breaking them down some will help your body uptake more of them, but I don't actually know that.

I don't really care how you do it. You're on the right track, and I'm curious to hear what you do and the short/long term results of it.




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fluoride poisoning is the key factor
by: Marat S

Interesting article:


Earthclinic.com fluroide Q&A

..the biggest threat of developing the most severe forms of chronic fluoride poisoning may actually stem from fluoride-based prescription drugs, such as fluorinated antibiotics like Cipro.


See:

14). Are there any vitamins, or supplements, that are known to improve the symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning?



Joshua Comments:

Hi Marat.

Thanks for pointing to that site. That's REALLY interesting.

My Kerri from www.Easy-Immune-Health.com (she points to a lot of research you might find interesting) deals with Chronic Fatigue/Fibromyalgia a lot, and a commen phrase from them is "I have such high needs for nutrients, taking that supplement won't help".

That's really interesting that fluoride slows cellular energy production and increases nutrient requirements. That makes a LOT of sense...

Thanks! Keep the good finds coming!



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